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MSecorsky · Aug 05, 2005, 03:40 PM // 15:40

Signet of Spirit Slaying

Randomly kills 1-3 spirits. Prevents spirits from being created for 5-15 seconds after use. 10 energy, 60 sec recharge time.

With the skills around that affect signets, you all can figure out how to best implement this.

No need to nerf anything. Will require some thought and teamwork to use. Still should allow NR to prevent Heal Balls.

Thoughts?

Kha · Aug 05, 2005, 03:48 PM // 15:48

Funny. I was actually thinking of them restoring Unnatural Signet and having some kind of effect like this now. But I've never fought a spirit spam group (I don't PvP much anymore) so I really don't know.

I'm glad someone is actually thinking of a solution that just whining about it in dozens of threads.

RTSFirebat · Aug 05, 2005, 03:52 PM // 15:52

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Signet of Spirit Slaying

Randomly kills 1-3 spirits. Prevents spirits from being created for 5-15 seconds after use. 10 energy, 60 sec recharge time.

With the skills around that affect signets, you all can figure out how to best implement this.

No need to nerf anything. Will require some thought and teamwork to use. Still should allow NR to prevent Heal Balls.

Thoughts?

Maybe, but then again the Ranger party I joined last night had no trouble at all beating off a spirit spam group. And I mean they set down tons of the buggers!

They can be beaten, try joining a TS/Vent group and not joining a PUG and you may like the results.

Zell Murasame · Aug 05, 2005, 03:53 PM // 15:53

That's a good idea, probably would need some rewording to sound more... "arcane and mystical". Oh, and Signets never cost any Energy.

RTSFirebat · Aug 05, 2005, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by Zell Murasame

That's a good idea, probably would need some rewording to sound more... "arcane and mystical". Oh, and Signets never cost any Energy.

Yep, and there is the problem, they don't cost energy to use. So it would be more ideal to add a skill FOR RANGERS to use, to counter them. If Rangers can create them, so should be able to get away with it.

ElderAtronach · Aug 05, 2005, 03:56 PM // 15:56

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Originally Posted by Zell Murasame

That's a good idea, probably would need some rewording to sound more... "arcane and mystical". Oh, and Signets never cost any Energy.

*Ahem* Primal Echoes. Look it up sometime

And yes bring back something like unnatural signet, lol. That skill was hilariously stupid until the rise of the spirit spammer builds.

firstwave · Aug 05, 2005, 03:59 PM // 15:59

How about implementing some skills very similar to shatter hex.

For Monk: Smite spirit

For Necro: Strip Spirit

For mesmer: Shatter spirit

Ok that doesn't look like a good idea :P

Thomasuwoo · Aug 05, 2005, 03:59 PM // 15:59

Well they didn't bring out a Signet of Spiker slaying so why spirts? Spikers had their time in the limelight and now it's the spirts time to rise!!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!

*cough* Edge of Extinction *cough*

MSecorsky · Aug 05, 2005, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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Originally Posted by Thomasuwoo

Well they didn't bring out a Signet of Spiker slaying so why spirts? Spikers had their time in the limelight and now it's the spirts time to rise!!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!

*cough* Edge of Extinction *cough*

Doesn't Edge kill itself while killing spirits?

Thomasuwoo · Aug 05, 2005, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Doesn't Edge kill itself while killing spirits?

If it's not healed yes. However most spirt spammers spam spirts that aren't a very high level and thus it's usually not dead until it takes quite a few with it.
In my experiance it takes em all. It seems to be deliberatly killed last or it's still in effect until it fully falls into the ground.

Kishin · Aug 05, 2005, 04:03 PM // 16:03

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

Maybe, but then again the Ranger party I joined last night had no trouble at all beating off a spirit spam group. And I mean they set down tons of the buggers!

They can be beaten, try joining a TS/Vent group and not joining a PUG and you may like the results.

Wow, what an original idea! How could I not think of such a thing?

...Please. Don't get smug because you faced an incompetent group of spammers who probably dropped NR while their Monks cast Aegis and Protective Spirits, and then proceeded to drop 6000 copies of Winnowing. Do you really think the people pointing out the imbalances inherent in spirit spam are not playing in TS/Vent groups and are most likely guild teams?

Unbalanced != Unbeatable. Unbalanced = Unbalanced.

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Originally Posted by thomasuwoo

*cough* Edge of Extinction *cough*

Not practical against Fertile Season buffed, high level spirits. Furthermore, your suggestion of healing spirits won't go very far. A jacked up Healing Monk will probably only heal one for 20-30 a shot.

Thomasuwoo · Aug 05, 2005, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by Kishin

Wow, what an original idea! How could I not think of such a thing?

...Please. Don't get smug because you faced an incompetent group of spammers who probably dropped NR while their Monks cast Aegis and Protective Spirits, and then proceeded to drop 6000 copies of Winnowing. Do you really think the people pointing out the imbalances inherent in spirit spam are not playing in TS/Vent groups and are most likely guild teams?

Unbalanced != Unbeatable. Unbalanced = Unbalanced.

I do belive that using them to creat a wall is a dodgy tactic at best but the great thing is (Just like spikers) that they are a one trick pony. Once you get past it they have nothing.

Kishin · Aug 05, 2005, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by Thomasuwoo

I do belive that using them to creat a wall is a dodgy tactic at best but the great thing is (Just like spikers) that they are a one trick pony. Once you get past it they have nothing.

I'd love to see where I said anything about them making a wall.

Thomasuwoo · Aug 05, 2005, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by Kishin

Not practical against Fertile Season buffed, high level spirits. Furthermore, your suggestion of healing spirits won't go very far. A jacked up Healing Monk will probably only heal one for 20-30 a shot.

Works for us and you know what's best about it? If you have an edge up when they start expiring on their own (Since they were all palced quickly together) it's a massive spirt edge that is guarented to clear the area. You just gotta hold out for 1 minute or two.

Thomasuwoo · Aug 05, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by Kishin

I'd love to see where I said anything about them making a wall.

Erm.. So you're complaining about their effects? They have a 5 seccond cast time! Interupt them! Blackout them! Diversion them! Sig of humidity (Oath shot) them! Blind (Oath shot again) them! Or just Kill them!

Gah they can be countered lie evrything else. This takes me back to the spike build debates

MSecorsky · Aug 05, 2005, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Thomasuwoo

Erm.. So you're complaining about their effects? They have a 5 seccond cast time! Interupt them! Blackout them! Diversion them! Sig of humidity (Oath shot) them! Blind (Oath shot again) them! Or just Kill them!

Gah they can be countered lie evrything else. This takes me back to the spike build debates

Does Sig of humidity work in the desert areas?

Thomasuwoo · Aug 05, 2005, 04:16 PM // 16:16

ROFL! Pardon me, it's late.

ZD_kusanagi · Aug 05, 2005, 04:18 PM // 16:18

It really is true people. even though they DO alot of damage to teams, there ARE ways to counter them. the most prominent way is experience. you just have to know how to do it. and believe it or not, Spirit groups are not winning the HOH 80% of the time. So what does that say about you people who just can't seem to beat them no matter what? I guess it means your not good enough to beat them? It's all about skill and experience. And if you cant beat that, then i guess you dont deserve to beat it. I do realize that NR is very potent, but there are ways aroun it people. Anet knows about this build sweeping the pvp areas. If it hasn't been nerfed yet, it doesnt need to be nerfed.

Dan Mega · Aug 05, 2005, 04:32 PM // 16:32

AGAIN, THERE IS NO 'SOLUTION' OR 'FIX', BECAUSE ***NOTHING*** IS BROKEN AND THERE IS NO PROBLEM!

And again yesterday, my spirit team was defeated! If you cannot counter or beat the team, it means you aren't good enough at the game!

Period! Mods, please lock and close these threads!

MSecorsky · Aug 05, 2005, 04:36 PM // 16:36

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Originally Posted by Dan Mega

AGAIN, THERE IS NO 'SOLUTION' OR 'FIX', BECAUSE ***NOTHING*** IS BROKEN AND THERE IS NO PROBLEM!

And again yesterday, my spirit team was defeated! If you cannot counter or beat the team, it means you aren't good enough at the game!

Period! Mods, please lock and close these threads!

I don't disagree, but it would shut people up and get them thinking of new builds again. That would be a nice change.